22 inches

[sokoloka]

ssteinbr - how tall are you?

[ssteinbr]

ssteinbr - how tall are you?

5'11".  The holmes rides like a 21tt frame with a 71 st angle.

[sokoloka]

5'11".  The holmes rides like a 21tt frame with a 71 st angle.

Hmm. I'm 6'4 with a 36" inseam.  Any idea how that'd feel?

[ssteinbr]

Hmm. I'm 6'4 with a 36" inseam.  Any idea how that'd feel?

I would imagine it would feel small like 20 except the wheels want to keep rolling.  The bb is like a vert bike only 1.5" higher than the axels. so whatever bar height you are used to will feel a bit more upright.  I have the axel slammed but it looks like I have a good.5 inch or more adjustment.  I am going to lace up my elite's tonight ot tomorrow and switch to 30x12 and move the wheel further back in the drop out.  

If you have been riding a 20 with a long tt and cs to compensate for your size the bike will feel better but your hands to hip distance will shrink.  Not an issue because even slammed it it a bit harder to pull up.

[cmc4130]

Hmm. I'm 6'4 with a 36" inseam.  Any idea how that'd feel?

For the InDust 2Ton 22" frame that I posted earlier in this thread, http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3557644&postcount=157 Vernon and I went with a longer front end (21.75") and shorter back end (14").   I'm 6'1", 35.5" inseam.   I have a 22.25"tt Liquid Feedback 24" and I've also ridden the 22"tt Liquid and the 22"tt Sunday Wave C 24" . . . and when I rode 20"s, I typically liked 21.5"tt the best, so 21.75"tt seemed to be an ideal size for larger trails frame for 22" wheels.    I've got STANDARD 9"s on it right now, which is taller than I used to ride, but I've been experimenting with taller setups and it feels great.

The InDust Cuatro 24" (with 22.3"tt) and the InDust 2Ton 22":

[@ss4oLe]

It seems like this new frame is going to feel/be small. My 20 inch is 21 1/8 top tube and I"m 5' 8".
My liquid is 22.25

21.25 seems short for tall guys.

[ssteinbr]

It seems like this new frame is going to feel/be small. My 20 inch is 21 1/8 top tube and I"m 5' 8".
My liquid is 22.25

21.25 seems short for tall guys.

You are correct sir.

[ssteinbr]

Hmmm let me elaborate.  I have more time in on the bike now....  For some context I rode BMX from 1974 to 1984 and then nothing until 2003.  

I am 5'11" and have owned and ridden the following with 8" slams or 8.25" grand slams....
WTP Trust 21.25"tt
FBM Exodus 21.25"tt
FBM Exodus 22" tt custom
Sunday Model C 21.75" tt
Fly Lago 21" tt
Standard 250l 21" tt
DK r/t 21" tt
BSD forever 20.7" tt
FBM Steadfast 21.5" tt
Native Trendkill 21" tt
FBM Steadfast 21.25" tt
S&M 22 Wheel Holmes 21.25" tt

The 22 Holmes feels like a supergoose did back in the early 80's.  I think this has to do with my body size in relation to the overall bike size and the slacker s/t angle.  I can bunny hop like a mofo on it too... everything is a bit slower happening but not too slow.  

I am so stoked on this bike!  

A word to the wise the stock wheels do not have enough tension on the spokes from the factory.  I always put some tlc into factory built wheels before I ride but I didn't this time out of excitement to ride trails ASAP.  The rear wheel was knocked out of true just by doing 180s and developed a hop when I cased a jump.  I though it was a flat spot but after loosening all the spokes and rebuilding with enough tension it is perfectly true and round.  I recommend an extra 1.5 to 2 turns on the rear wheel nipples (.5 at a time not at once) and a full turn for the font.

[@ss4oLe]

the only blue Holmes? should be rolling in a week. He's building wheels with the rims/profile hubs.

[ssteinbr]

the only blue holmes? Should be rolling in a week. He's building wheels with the rims/profile hubs.

nice!

[supergoose]

The 22 Holmes feels like a supergoose did back in the early 80's.  I think this has to do with my body size in relation to the overall bike size and the slacker s/t angle.  I can bunny hop like a mofo on it too... everything is a bit slower happening but not too slow.

I was going to get out of bmx for good, but after reading this comment i would really like to give the holmes a try.

I have never actually ridden a supergoose or any other mongoose from that era, but i got my first bike in 1991, which felt a lot different than today's low and twitchy frames. I too am 9' 11" and 33 years old. Didn't really get to ride any of the bikes that i build over the past 10 years, but i currently own a 20.75" tt fly Pantera 4, which i'm not too happy with when trying to bunny hop. It's not a bad bike, but it doesn't feel 100% right either.

I rode a 24" wtp cruiser, which felt a bit heavy and too big. Do you think i should try the holmes? If so, where did you guys order your sets and how much did you spend? Thanks.

[cmc4130]

I was going to get out of bmx for good, but after reading this comment i would really like to give the holmes a try.

I have never actually ridden a supergoose or any other mongoose from that era, but i got my first bike in 1991, which felt a lot different than today's low and twitchy frames. I too am 9' 11" and 33 years old. Didn't really get to ride any of the bikes that i build over the past 10 years, but i currently own a 20.75" tt fly Pantera 4, which i'm not too happy with when trying to bunny hop. It's not a bad bike, but it doesn't feel 100% right either.

I rode a 24" wtp cruiser, which felt a bit heavy and too big. Do you think i should try the holmes? If so, where did you guys order your sets and how much did you spend? Thanks.

http://www.sandmbikes.com/all-products/frames/frame-holmes-22

[ssteinbr]

I got my kit from a lbs but eBay has really good deals too.  I think you should get one!  Rode around the city tonight and the holmes was so much fun.

[cmc4130]

Pepper G.'s InDust 2ton 22".  Made in Texas.  21.75"tt, 14"cs. SuperTherm main tubes. Profile stem, hubs, and cranks. S&M fork.

[CMB]

Local bike shop built up a new Holmes. Looking to give it a go next time I'm down at the track.