22 inches

[skateparkrider]

Pepper G.'s InDust 2ton 22".  Made in Texas.  21.75"tt, 14"cs. SuperTherm main tubes. Profile stem, hubs, and cranks. S&M fork.

Rode this one.  Still couldn't get down with how it felt.  I am not sure if Pepper likes his bars higher than me, but I felt like she was kind of ass heavy when I sent it through Slacker last night.  Maybe the ride would feel a bit better for me personally if the bars were a bit lower.  But I also felt the back end/BB height might not be to my taste as well.  Couldn't put my finger on what it was causing me the funky stuff, but it was a combo of big feeling bars and something in the way it pumped in between sets.  

It didn't really give me the feeling of anything I am used to, be it 20" or 24".  Waiting to ride one of the S&M's to see how that one feels.

Pepper's bike is a dialed ass rig, just thought I would add that.  Really really nice.  The paint on the frame was really good, the wheels (besides the rims) are pretty dialed.  Solid feeling bike.  Just couldn't get down with the geometry.

[nitromors]

just seems like bmx selling its soul and not really knowing why.

[cmc4130]

. .  . But I also felt the back end/BB height might not be to my taste as well. . . .

i can respect that.  you might like some of the STANDARDs better (with 21"tt and 12.5" bb).  12.75" bb would have the same bb rise (+1.75") as 20"s and the Model C and Wave C 24", and i think that would rock too.

just seems like bmx selling its soul and not really knowing why.

if bmx's soul requires that everyone ride the same bike, whether age 12 or 32 or 5'1" or 6'4", then i'm glad you're the Savior, guarding the gates to bmx heaven. meanwhile i'll still be digging and riding, hell bent.

and, you've got a lot of catching up to do: time to persecute FBM and Volume for making fixies, Fairdale for making commuter cruisers, Standard for making custom mtb 29'ers, all riders who have taken money from energy drinks, junk food, and  sunglass companies, or ever dropped in on a Mega Ramp, and just about every bmx company for going to Taiwan and abandoning American-made.    

but, i don't condemn these companies.  and my bmx brain (and penitent heart) is big enough to handle a wheel size option for a few underground riders who dig it.

better example of selling out ? :  http://vimeo.com/44909160

[@ss4oLe]

just seems like bmx selling its soul and not really knowing why.

what?

selling it's soul to whom?

The soul of BMX is making bikes fun. riding bikes with no rules. THAT is BMX. Tire size never had anything to do with BMX. It had everything to do with breaking molds.

S&M Holmes.


my bud MattyBMX throwing down. He's 43, raced pro for YEARS (paid his rent pedaling his balls off) and says this is the best bike he's ridden.

[ssteinbr]

S&M Holmes.

HOLY CRAP that looks RAD!  More pics and parts spec please!

[nitromors]

touched a raw nerve there methinks.

[Topsey]

I guess theyre meant for dirt then? Would be pretty cool to see one shredding street. 4 Pegs, brakeless etc etc....

[TheMerged]

What are the Revenge Tyres like, close up on those?

[_tom_]

That looks amazing.

[Sasha]

I want one of these. Jeebus. I normally hate blue bikes but I think I'd sell my soul for that one, looks awesome.

[ssteinbr]

What are the Revenge Tyres like, close up on those?

I will have more of a definitive answer tonight but here is what I know so far.

Grips on dirt (damp or dry) and concrete extremely well.

Rated for 80 psi but keep an eye on the bead I had one blow off the rim after riding for an hour at 80 psi.  The steel bead was kinked from the factory.  Ordered another one and rode street last night at 60psi.  I cased a concrete step really hard and the tire let the rim hit like it has 30 spi in it.

Riding street tonight at 80psi and I will inevitable case the same 5 stair again so we'll see.

[ssteinbr]

Meh even at 80psi it still squirms a lot railing around on concrete... Bowls are OK but for flat carves not so hot.  The front tire started to wash out turning 90 degrees on a sidewalk after hopping up a 5 stair.... even with 80psi.  I was thinking of going to 100psi but I just got home riding trails with the tires at 80psi and both tires developed hops... the beads were starting to pull out in a couple places... Meh.   I'd say the tires makes a superb front tire.... and it seems 60psi is the sweet spot.  I am hoping a quality 100psi rear tire comes out soon.  Fingers crossed for the faction rims and tires!

[Sasha]

You've not had it too long though right? Tires always suck for a week or so, just need a bit of wearing in.

[andrew.]

What about the rims? Since you really only have one readily available rim to replace it with. It be a shame if they were absolute shit.

[ssteinbr]

You've not had it too long though right? Tires always suck for a week or so, just need a bit of wearing in.

I agree regarding grip but the tires don't seem to like max psi when the bead starts to pull out.  Unless I am wrong about the latter and I hope I am.

The rims are actually really great so far.