22 inches

[@ss4oLe]

that Faction looks really nice.

brenden- Danscomp has/had the S&M Holmes kit (frame/fork/wheels/tires). You can get frames by InDust through CMC4130 on here, Faction might be available in the States in a month (they've been saying 'soon' for the last 3 years), you can have Standard make a custom frame/fork for the cost of your first born.

A bunch of options but wheels/tires are still pretty limited. However, as you can see from this post, if you wanna roll on 22's, you can make it happen.

[ssteinbr]

you guys finding the bigger wheels are easier on the back

Hmmm... I don't have chronic back problems but I drink a lot (hard to stay hydrated) and I ride rhythm style jumps where there is a lot of pumping and g-outs so my core gets worked.

I have noticed that I can ride 3 to 5 times a week an hour to two hours on my holmes 22... whereas my 20" steadfast I could do the same for about 6 weeks and then I had to go for massotherapy on my lower back or I was out for a couple weeks.  

I think the difference is the fact I have a very upright stance on the holmes...  It has a long cs (end of the drop out) therefore I can run a profile push and hoder (really big) bars.  My stance is way more upright and the bike still feels balanced not too easy to pull up.

Now as far as riding a rigid bike that is jarring when you case hard the 22 wheel does pop out of hang ups and cases better but it is not hat much better than a 20".  In reference a 24" or 26" wheels is worlds away from how jarring 20 ans 22 wheels are.  The 22 is better but not by a lot.

[ssteinbr]

Build up my new Faction Bikes Amero set. So far without the F22 tires, hope to get them soon.

Very nice can you post pictures of the front tire and fork clearance?

Well here is my 22" Standard, to cold to ride it today and need to adjust the seat some still.

Very nice!

[ssteinbr]

I heard today that Redline has a 22 wheel bike that has been showing up at a local track in Dayton Ohio.  I did some poking around on the interwebz and came up with this photo.  Does anyone have any information?

[@ss4oLe]

^ it's a different sized 22 inch wheel. I don't have the details but I know the racing world won't allow the 22 inch wheels that we've been riding (holmes, indust, faction) but do allow this new wheel from redline. the size difference isn't much, mm's difference.

There is also an O/S tire (over sized) that is still in the safe range of being legal on the track. Tioga makes it.

That's all I know.

talk about a cluster fuck.

[ssteinbr]

^ it's a different sized 22 inch wheel. I don't have the details but I know the racing world won't allow the 22 inch wheels that we've been riding (holmes, indust, faction) but do allow this new wheel from redline. the size difference isn't much, mm's difference.

There is also an O/S tire (over sized) that is still in the safe range of being legal on the track. Tioga makes it.

That's all I know.

talk about a cluster fuck.

Ya no kidding!

[tzicktzack]

Very nice can you post pictures of the front tire and fork clearance?

Here are some details and some words about my first impressions [Please excuse my poor english ]. Please note, because of the rainy weather I haven't been rinding the Amero so far (except from a one minute session in my living room).

1. front tire clearance: With a 22 x 2.15 tire there is approximately 15 mm (0.6 inch) space between fork and tire.

2. back tire clearance with a 22 x 2.2 tire (almost slammed) is approximately 10 mm ( 0.4 inch).

3. The space between the sprocket and chainstays is very low. Concerning the wide and short rear end, a 26 T sprocket is the maximum that will fit. If you install a 9 T driver (back wheel comes with a 10 T driver), 2,88 will be the maximum gear ratio you can get.

4. As the other 22" frame-fork sets like S&M (Holmes), Indust or Standard the Amero are also made of 4130 tubes. HT, BB and CS are heat-treated. The welds seems to be very strong and professional made. Without having any experience with other 22" frames or forks like S&M for instance, I think the quality of all these 22" frame-fork-sets are pretty much the same.

5. So far faction bike co is the only company offering welded rims. They are  37 mm wide (1.46 inch) and seems to be very strong and durable. I can't say anything about the hubs beside that both are female hubs and the back wheel comes with a 10 T driver.

Beside of the poor or mid quality tires (hope to get the F22 foldable tires right after Xmas) the Amero frame-fork-wheel set is a high quality bike kit and is worth its price. Although I haven't been riding it, I'm absolutely stoked.
When the weather will clear up, I will find out how it rides. Afterwards I try to write a short review (hope you will understand me ).

[ssteinbr]

Very nice can you post pictures of the front tire and fork clearance?

Here are some details and some words about my first impressions [Please excuse my poor english ]. Please note, because of the rainy weather I haven't been rinding the Amero so far (except from a one minute session in my living room).

1. front tire clearance: With a 22 x 2.15 tire there is approximately 15 mm (0.6 inch) space between fork and tire.

2. back tire clearance with a 22 x 2.2 tire (almost slammed) is approximately 10 mm ( 0.4 inch).

3. The space between the sprocket and chainstays is very low. Concerning the wide and short rear end, a 26 T sprocket is the maximum that will fit. If you install a 9 T driver (back wheel comes with a 10 T driver), 2,88 will be the maximum gear ratio you can get.

4. As the other 22" frame-fork sets like S&M (Holmes), Indust or Standard the Amero are also made of 4130 tubes. HT, BB and CS are heat-treated. The welds seems to be very strong and professional made. Without having any experience with other 22" frames or forks like S&M for instance, I think the quality of all these 22" frame-fork-sets are pretty much the same.

5. So far faction bike co is the only company offering welded rims. They are  37 mm wide (1.46 inch) and seems to be very strong and durable. I can't say anything about the hubs beside that both are female hubs and the back wheel comes with a 10 T driver.

Beside of the poor or mid quality tires (hope to get the F22 foldable tires right after Xmas) the Amero frame-fork-wheel set is a high quality bike kit and is worth its price. Although I haven't been riding it, I'm absolutely stoked.
When the weather will clear up, I will find out how it rides. Afterwards I try to write a short review (hope you will understand me ).

Wow thanks for all the info!  How many pawls does the driver have?  Do you know if it is an Odyssey joytech clone?

[@ss4oLe]

10/26 is the highest you can go with the stock wheel?

that's a low gearing.

[ssteinbr]

10/26 is the highest you can go with the stock wheel?

that's a low gearing.

Unless you can get a 9t driver... king kong?  Joytech?

[@ss4oLe]

Unless you can get a 9t driver... king kong?  Joytech?

right. So they finally get their product to market and all you can do is climb hills well.
They should have put a 9 on the hub. Or, sell just the damn rim so people can lace their own wheels.

[ssteinbr]

right. So they finally get their product to market and all you can do is climb hills well.
They should have put a 9 on the hub. Or, sell just the damn rim so people can lace their own wheels.

Ya I am hoping Alienation comes through with rims...  Do you think we (as in the 22 guys on here) could team up and see if gsport or jim c would make a 22 rim?  How many guys do we have... at least 5 or 6.  I would take four 22" rollcage rims just for myself... minimum order could be 25?  If the total minimum order is more I could pony up.

[@ss4oLe]

I'd be shocked if minimum order is 25. Probably closer to hundred/s but that's just a guess.

If you round up all the people, on all the forums that are into 22's, we still wouldn't have enough people/cash, I don't think.

I'm curious how many CMC's buddy purchased when he got the rims he got,way back when.

[ssteinbr]

I'd be shocked if minimum order is 25. Probably closer to hundred/s but that's just a guess.

If you round up all the people, on all the forums that are into 22's, we still wouldn't have enough people/cash, I don't think.

I'm curious how many CMC's buddy purchased when he got the rims he got,way back when.

I have considered buying the faction wheels just to get the rims and have a set of extra spokes.. and hubs I could use on other bikes... I might buy the whole kit but I have to say after riding for 35 years I know a great bmx bike when I ride one.  Once I moved the rear wheel back far in the drop outs and got the Hoder bars with a push stem... the Holmes is DIALED.

[ssteinbr]

Oh and I went full Mulville camo Saturday.  I had a hundred dollar credit and got the 15% plus free shipping on the elite's from Dans (crazy cheap).  Got the stem and chainwheel from RaysMTB.