Death penalty (re; Bali 9 executions)

[JFax]

For those interested in the actual case AlJazeera has a lengthy interview up with the indonesian president. Unless you are american though, think aljazeera's vids are blocked in the states...

[ginger]

5 of the 9 are.

Chan and Sukumaran who are on death row are not, the rest of the 9 are not being sentenced to death.

[RAILS!]

Unless you are american though, think aljazeera's vids are blocked in the states...

Surprise surprise.

[ginger]

I did not know that Al-Jazeera was blocked in the US, that's insane.

[Narcoleptic Insomniac]

It's not blocked, it's channel 200 something on tv here.

[JFax]

Vids from their websites are semi-blocked. Have to go to a special site to see some content.

Idk, it is blocked on my chrome that is set to use American IP addresses.

[condrbkr]

Fuck that, if the majority thinks the minority ethnicity should be cleansed of the earth, standing by to let them govern themselves is bullshit.

Man genocide is something else compared to drug runners.

I do think a world police is needed in today's world, don't get me wrong, just that you can't expect the locals to wholeheartedly accept what some bigger nation proposes.

[Prodigal Son]

It's the equivalent of Muslims going crazy because some guy in France drew Muhammad. To them that's law. They broke it and they deserved the punishment cause their ideas of law are above everyone else. I'm not equating one to the other but if democracy truly is the best system to govern a region then let the people come to that conclusion by themselves, not let it be dictated by a bunch of outsiders who feel they know best for them.

And this

I do think a world police is needed in today's world, don't get me wrong, just that you can't expect the locals to wholeheartedly accept what some bigger nation proposes.

Have very distinct conflicts in my eyes.

[condrbkr]

It's a thin line. Countries deserve a level of self determination which allows them to define which freedoms mean most to them but at the same time I do believe in a universal principle of basic human rights and if those rights are violated. The UN has the right to impede.

But this isn't genocide it's story of a bunch of foreigners who got caught doing a clearly illegal thing for profit. From what I can see there is no call for all Indonesian drug smugglers with similar fates to be freed, just these 9. Simply because they're foreigners from a more powerful nation.

[Prodigal Son]

There should be equal precedence to chronic public masturbators being put to death as there is an asshole dealing death. I think it's bullshit to delineate the death penalty. It is a very precise and contradictory thing to declare the worth of a life and simultaneously exclaim the forfeiture of another's.   

[LukeTom]

I do not think the taking of a life is ever justified. There have been too many fuck ups in the courts where it is later proved that the dead guy is innocent. There is never any way of being 100% certain, at least with prison you can be compensated/released if you end up being innocent. It is a permanent solution and as seen in many cases it all too often ends up killing innocent people.

[condrbkr]

People can preach the importance of taking an innocent life but the very same people don't think twice about a system which negates the quality of everyday human lives in the favor of expanding the 'livelihood' of a few. They know it exists but they also know the sacrifice which would be needed to end such a thing, virtually no one is willing to make that sacrifice regardless how noble the idea. The world is a hypocrisy. Quite honestly I don't judge those people who still hold ideals for human life cause frankly even the idea of people mattering is a step forwards more than the reality; which is that they don't.

[beermx]

Truffle butter

[ginger]

From what I can see there is no call for all Indonesian drug smugglers with similar fates to be freed, just these 9. Simply because they're foreigners from a more powerful nation.

Wrong. Also, Indonesia is busting nuts trying to get their nationals off death row in other countries for drug crimes. Hypocrisy is through the roof here.

[condrbkr]

Wrong. Also, Indonesia is busting nuts trying to get their nationals off death row in other countries for drug crimes.

Source?