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Kinchy:
Why did you not include Bush in your list of presidents?
This attack makes a lot of sense - an attack on the most accessible country that is involved in the attacks on the middle east. UK and USA have sea borders, much easier to get into France. Also, US rock concert and large football match targeted, both prime examples of western culture. Maybe they're pissed off with us fucking around in their countries?
alaskun:
--- Quote from: Kinchy on November 14, 2015, 04:43:10 AM ---Why did you not include Bush in your list of presidents?
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it wasn't a list of presidents. hillary clinton and john mccain had a lot more to do with libya/syria/ukraine/this whole mess than just running for president...
why didn't I name cheney, or rumsfeld, or anybody else who hasn't been in the news for the past eight years? "and others"
--- Quote from: Kinchy on November 14, 2015, 04:43:10 AM ---This attack makes a lot of sense - an attack on the most accessible country that is involved in the attacks on the middle east. UK and USA have sea borders, much easier to get into France. Also, US rock concert and large football match targeted, both prime examples of western culture.
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I don't know about the accessibility stuff, but I'm pretty sure the stadium/theater have more to do with crowd psychology than some sort of attack on culture/arts/sport.. people will be thinking twice about attending mass gatherings in general, not just american concerts or soccer games, but anything else that takes place in a stadium/theater/bar etc... entire cities' infrastructures have to change in a not-so-friendly way for the kind of security those things can require...
I hope I'm wrong
--- Quote from: Kinchy on November 14, 2015, 04:43:10 AM ---Maybe they're pissed off with us fucking around in their countries?
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maybe most of them have dark hair? maybe most of them are men? maybe most of them have blood?
Zoidberg:
They attacked soft targets. What they could get. The bombs were outside the football stadium as the stadium would have been the only place with any real security. But they are all western ways of life really, restraunts, gig, football. Certainly not military targets so surely it's an act of terror and not war? They're also claiming it's in response to the air strikes, didn't jihadi John get reported dead as a result of one in the last few days?
alaskun:
--- Quote ---rough chronology of attacks
Paris prosecutor made at a press conference the chronology of the attacks.
21:20: the first explosion in the Stade de France.
21:25: at 21:25 Paris, people who were in the bar and restaurant Le Carrillon Petit Le Cambodge were targets of Kalashnikov shots fired from inside a vehicle type Seat Leon. At this time, the balance realized 15 killed on the spot.
21:30: a second explosion at the door H Stade de France. On site, it was discovered a body of a suicidal second with a device similar to D. door of the bomb first
21:32: in Paris, at the corner of Faubourg-du-Temple and rue de la Fontaine au Roi, a new shooting in front of the bar "La Bonne" makes five deaths and eight seriously injured. The first witnesses identify a black car brand Seat
21:36: the number of 92 Charone street hears new shots, fired by suspects arriving in a black seat, causing the death of 19 people.
21:40: in the restaurant "Comptoir Voitaire", a suicide bomber is made explode injuring one person seriously and making several minor injuries.
21:30: In Paris, a black color car park in front of the Bataclan. Three individuals with weapons of war leave the vehicle and enter the concert hall, opening fire in full concert of the "Eagles of Death Metal" and making hostage fans attending the concert. Witnesses said the terrorists talked about Syria and Iraq. During the police assault, the three terrorists were killed by the first shot of the security forces, the other two detonated a belt of explosives. "The victims count points, this time to 89 dead and many wounded."
21:40: Saint-Denis, 400 meters from the Stade de France, in the rue de la Cockerie happens a third explosion caused by a suicide bomber.
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apparently it's been confirmed that at least one of them was a syrian refugee.
don't complain about the sources, look at what's being reported. the whole time they've existed they've been threatening/promising to bring it to the west...
July 2015: ISIS Vowed to ‘Bring Slaughter to France, Fill the Streets of Paris with Dead Bodies’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/july-2015-isis-vowed-to-bring-slaughter-to-france-fill-the-streets-of-paris-with-dead-bodies.html
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/july-2015-isis-vowed-to-bring-slaughter-to-france-fill-the-streets-of-paris-with-dead-bodies/
NEW ISIS VIDEO WARNS OF ATTACKS ON GERMANY.
april 14 2015
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=323_1429066834
ISIS posted a video threatens 'blood will spill like an ocean' soon in Russia
nov 12 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWSsI1ZSNM
etc.
also from the day before the attack. why have I not seen or heard about this anywhere?
--- Quote ---12 nov 2015
MASSIVE TERROR RAIDS ACROSS EUROPE INVOLVING MANY COUNTRIES TO DISRUPT HUGE PLOT
ARRESTS IN BRITAIN, NORWAY, FINLAND, GERMANY, ITALY, SWITZERLAND LINKED TO ONE MASSIVE PLOT
PLOT INVOLVED 17 IRAQI KURDS WHO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED
http://news.sky.com/story/1586323/four-in-terror-recruiting-ring-held-in-uk
--- Quote ---Police in Italy had issued 17 arrest warrants for Iraqi Kurds in the Europe-wide blitz.
Norwegian media is reporting that a jailed Iraqi-born cleric and two others are being held on suspicion of their involvement in an alleged terror plot in Italy.
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FURTHER ARREST IN GREECE , PLOT RELATED TO ITALY
GROUP WERE ALL KURDS FROM ANSAR AL-ISLAM GROUP WHICH MERGED WITH ISIS LAST YEAR
FURTHER SIX ARRESTS IN ITALY, THREE ARRESTS IN NORWAY
POLICE CURRENTLY CONDUCTING DETAILED SEARCHES OF 26 PREMISES ACROSS EUROPE
http://www.politico.eu/article/europe-police-dismantle-major-jihadist-network-krekar/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/618925/People-arrested-Italy-suspicion-international-terrorism
PLOT LINKED TO THE KIDNAPPING AND MURDER OF DIPLOMATS AND POLITICIANS ACROSS EUROPE - INCLUDING SIMULTANEOUS ATTACKS ON EMBASSY STAFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST
THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICE OPERATION IN EUROPE IN THE PAST 20 YEARS - GIUSEPPE GOVERNALE, HEAD OF ITALY'S COUNTER TERRORISM UNIT
ALL FOUR ARRESTED IN THE UK WERE REFUGEES AND NOT BRITISH NATIONALS - COUNTER TERROR COMMAND
POLICE SAY SOME MEMBERS OF GROUP HAD ALREADY LEFT FOR SYRIA AND IRAQ
...
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qaddafi warned us that if we deposed/killed him, he would 'flood europe with blacks." So we killed him.
assad has been warning that the same thing would happen with syria, and saying that us funding/training/arming terrorist 'rebel' groups would spread terrorism throughout europe among the refugee cover. so we've been trying to kill/overthrow him, creating isis and a refugee crisis in the process. funny how that works.
also
--- Quote ---Greece threatens to flood Germany with refugees
march 2015
Defence minister Panos Kammenos, who is also the leader of Independent Greeks (Anel), Syriza's right-wing partner in the ruling coalition government, made the controversial statement last Sunday when addressing party members.
"If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State too," Kammenos said.
Greece Backtracks Over Threat to Send Jihadist Refugees to Germany
3/13/15
http://europe.newsweek.com/greece-backtracks-over-threat-send-jihadist-refugees-germany-313717
Greece's defence minister threatens to send migrants including jihadists to Western Europe
09 Mar 2015
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11459675/Greeces-defence-minister-threatens-to-send-migrants-including-jihadists-to-Western-Europe.html
...The risk of state bankruptcy Greece has again threatened with forwarding tens of thousands of refugees to Europe. "If they put a hit Greece, they should know that ... migrants will get travel papers and go to Berlin," Defense Minister Panos Kammenos said Sunday at a meeting of his right-wing populist party "Independent Greeks"...
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"Paris Attacker Was Syrian “Refugee” Who Arrived in Greece Last Month"
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don't expect it to stop any time soon
JFax:
Might change the public opinion on direct action, perhaps it will result in politicians opting for attacking ISIS harder.
The major effect I foresee is that the situation in Syria and Iraq will worsen which will obviously lead to greater misery for the local population. The public opinion and view of the refugees will most probably also worsen, leading to greater misery for the ones that decided to flee. All in all just worse situation for people already in a bad situation.
So rather pointless action taken by ISIS (if it now was just them) which only hurt local population.
Hopefully more countries than Iran will opt to put some boots on the ground. Highly doubt the cost-effectivity and military point in further airstrikes. Seem to only level cities with million dollar bombs without much effect anyway.
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