currently salmon is worth more than crude oil

[alaskun]

I GUARANTEE you they're going to fuck this up. 

Meanwhile they're shoving natural gas up our asses before we even have a supply line or any infrastructure, far-exceeding any of their cost estimates, criminalizing woodstove users, and taking crazy aggressive actions against people using the waterways or doing anything that has to do with fish...

[weedbix]

So he went
to the store
and he bought himself some milk
but he noticed
it's expired
so he looks for the receipt
but he can't
find the thing
so he decides
to call it quits
then he looks
at the ground
and he sees it on his shoe

[Narcoleptic Insomniac]

How can they enforce the woodstove thing?

[alaskun]

Vehicles are already driving around with imaging stuff/'sniffers'/air quality testers on the roofs.

Also aerial imaging, but they don't talk about that.

 Heavily-advertised programs, which are voluntary at first, involving turning in your neighbors/the 'offenders,' have been announced/in place for years now, and they're digging in, not giving up.
The city I live in is part of a natural valley/bowl. Cold temperatures/inversion + all the vehicles/furnaces in that bowl means poor air quality. But it's being twisted as a human/wood-caused-phenomenon and they're taxing people for it, with the stated intention to ramp up that 'pressure.' 
A few years ago we were described worldwide as one of the worst cities in the country as far as air quality - even higher than NYC and places in china -  based on totally contrived/misrepresented numbers. Not because we actually are bad, but because they're trying to force some bullshit through.  And it's very clear to anyone actually watching it.

And nevermind the gigantic wildfires/opaque skys the army starts every summer...

"Voluntary burn bans."   Roadsigns stating this all over the place now.

 It starts with fines. failure to pay a fine leads to... what?

they've already had woodstove buy-back programs where they've destroyed many modern/clean/highly-efficient/expensive stoves, instead of donating them to places using dirtier/worse/more expensive equipment.   Counter-intuitive by definition, criminal if you have common sense...

pretty sure there are countless other ways they could claim to be enforcing violations, all the way down to stealing the king's wood

[LeonLikesToRock]

Do you guys have a problem with fires or are you just being bent over?

[Prodigal Son]

My area has had chimney fires banned for a while, weather dependent though. If there has been rain, wind, or something to dissipate the particulate out of the valley, then you can burn. Otherwise, you don't in risk of being seen by a vehicle who will kind of easily find you if you are in there proximity. I think you get a ticket your first offense, but I think you might get a warning. Either way, I think subsequent infractions are more severe each time. There are also loopholes as I understand. One being if you are rural and do not have alternative heating methods.

[alaskun]

Do you guys have a problem with fires

in the summer, yes, but this has nothing to do with fire danger.  Burn-ban or not the army regularly 'accidentally' sets massive fires and gets away with it. Air quality/visibility in the summer can be HORRIBLE but you never hear about anyone paying for it. It's about controlling peoples' heat source in the winter.

or are you just being bent over?

If nature doesn't do it every summer, the army regularly starts massive fires that destroy homes/properties, displacing many people, disrupting everyday life, and very much negatively affecting the tourism industry, not to mention the air quality.

But smokey/smoggy skies in the winter are an excuse for the legislature to ruin/take more homes, and they're doing it...

We voted against the measures they want to enforce, and they started implementing them anyways saying the voters "misunderstood the morals of clean air" or some garbage...

[Cole]

Wow. Just wow.

Speaking of the military doing shit in the US, did they take over Texas when Jade Helm happened? No? They didn't? Oh, ok.

[Prodigal Son]

They certainly didn't refuse federal aid after floods.

[JFax]

Wood stoves cause aerosoles while burning natural gas doesnt. Banning open fires and pushing for gas heating makes sense in your area.

Artificial controlled forest fires in an area prone for forest fires makes sense if it can prevent wide spread uncontrollable forest fires.

Based on your posts it seems like you overreact.

[alaskun]

makes sense in your area.

Oh, so you've solved the trucking it in VS pipeline VS other/cheaper/more available fuels debates. Mountains, rivers, idling diesel engines, entire city works/infrastructure projects be damned, you've figured it out...

Artificial controlled forest fires in an area prone for forest fires

accidental/surprise fires that affect residential areas are different from actual deliberately-set controlled burns in isolated areas.  Can you understand that?  I'm not talking about controlled burns, I'm talking about the artillery ranges and other army stuff that admittedly, repeatedly accidentally starts massive fires, which make our air yellower/stinkier than any time ever in the winter when woodstoves are in use, which is never accounted for in any of the "air quality" legislation.

I understand you're just trying to insult me, but stop acting retarded. It (here anyways) very openly/clearly has nothing to do with banning 'open fires' or preventing the spread of fire, it's about air quality/cleanliness.  Clean air, not fires.   They aren't implementing burn bans when it's -15 and there's 3 feet of snow covering everything because of the chance of wildfires, they're doing it because they say the air quality is bad.

I swear to god bikeguide is still the worst website I've ever been a part of as far as people deliberately twisting what I write

[alaskun]

Wow. Just wow.

Speaking of the military doing shit in the US, did they take over Texas when Jade Helm happened? No? They didn't? Oh, ok.

This is just like when you dropped a bunch of 4chan references in order to insinuate that I'm some sort of 4chan user/loser/bad person.

"Oh, ok"

Were you expecting some sort of takeover plot/event? Why are you acting like I was?  I wasn't, and I never posted anything of the sort.  Many other people in other places did, sure, but not me, not here or anywhere.  Why are you acting like I or anyone else here did? 

People were concerned about massive displays of incremental militarization, and idiots like you have been acting like they were all saying the sky is falling/the end is near/doomsday/rapture/etc... only referencing the craziest theories instead of the actual valid complaints/concerns, as if your assertion, or your interpretation; that jade helm = dramatic military takeover, obviously not coming to fruition, is somehow proof that all of their very real concerns were crazy/wrong/dismissable...

stop projecting, asshole.

[JFax]

I assure you, my intent was not to insult you.

I only get on BG when I have a few min to spare at work and had a quick glance at what you wrote and it seemed logical. If you now say that the set fires are unsafe then it doesnt make sense.

I however do not want to post anything in your threads ever again since you seem to twist what what everyone writes and insult anyone commenting on it. Might very well be that people have twisted what you say but you are still doing it yourself.

[Cole]

No, alaskun, I'm not projecting. Your theories are only hilarious, nothing more to me.

Since you live in a democratic society, you could always run for office and make your constituents wear tinfoil hats too, while making america great again.

No need to get butthurt over someone laughing at your conspiracy theories on a bmx forum. Have a good one, friend.

Edit: While I have you here, do you believe that the US military can control the weather with HAARP? Or that HAARP is a mind control device?

Do you need to see a specialist? Or do you just want adult supervision at all times? Do you need a hug? Everything is going to be alright, tiger.

[Kinchy]

"Currently salmon is worth more that crude oil"

What the fuck does that even mean? A barrel of salmon? One salmon is worth more than one crude oil? Will salmon power my petrol lawnmower? So many questions.

And then barrage of seemingly unrelated shit about forest fires. And no links or text walls.

Someone please give me some context. I live in a cottage in Kent, will using my chimney affect my petrol price and/or the salmon fishcake I ate yesterday?