Steerer Tube Threading/Compression Bolt Size and Fork Failure

[skateparkrider]

I can say whole heartedly that Terre is the coolest Canadian I know.  So his opinion on Canadian parts weigh heavier with me than that of mere mortal Canadians. 

OG Ruben stem.  Hell yeah.

[Prodigal Son]

So the stampy put out x to compromise whatever fork, there should be a fucking trade in. Had these forks for 1/2x get a rebate or 3x get 1/2 rebate.

My forks seem solid, but they've been there for 4.5 years of weekend warrioring. It's time to replace them as: theoretical x < experimental x. When Lx=Ex death seems next.

[LayLow]

So the stampy put out x to compromise whatever fork, there should be a fucking trade in. Had these forks for 1/2x get a rebate or 3x get 1/2 rebate.

My forks seem solid, but they've been there for 4.5 years of weekend warrioring. It's time to replace them as: theoretical x < experimental x. When Lx=Ex death seems next.

It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?

[KillSeth]

Is there ever a claim that Odyssey is a Made in the USA company?

I feel like if anyone truly believes that than it's their own fault for being a moron.

[badlight]

So the stampy put out x to compromise whatever fork, there should be a fucking trade in. Had these forks for 1/2x get a rebate or 3x get 1/2 rebate.

My forks seem solid, but they've been there for 4.5 years of weekend warrioring. It's time to replace them as: theoretical x < experimental x. When Lx=Ex death seems next.

It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?

I agree with your first sentence. The rest doesnt make any sense though. Who really thinks Odyssey stuff is made in the US? Also, according to a post from G somewhere else on the forum, the guy setting up the forks in the machine is an American white dude...

I just take it with a grain of salt, as anyone can make a video of some forks on a press, throw a bar graph over it and say "ours win". Its not that I dont believe in Odyssey forks, but the source of the video is a little biased. This kind of stuff needs to be tested independently for it to really matter. Whatever.

[LayLow]

"This kind of stuff needs to be tested independently for it to really matter. Whatever."

Dang that would be rad to see. Less companies using it as a marketing tool and actually seeing who's lasted and whose didn't.

[sans.terre]

who ever thought shit made in the US was any good?

[Brooklynrider]

Its a generally accepted fact that Odyssey makes some of the strongest parts out there, regardless of the stampy test.

[dude...]

also they have a great warrenty, and always have. thats the real clincher

their forks break, ive broken some, ive seen plenty of other people break them too, but theyre still deffos one of the stronger forks out there and yeah if you break em you should be able to get the replaced for free

[Prodigal Son]

To translate those tests into real world terms would be sweet to see on a fork card.

We don't recommend riding these 4 years if you're doing gaps to wallrides and big 180s.

[weedbix]

Let's assume Stampy is a machine in a factory that makes heaps of other forks. How does that negate the results in any way?

[G]

It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?

Capitals just to be clear, not shouting

1. NO OTHER BRAND OF BMX FORK is made in that factory.

2. I personally devised and designed all the test rigs and test protocols used in the Stampy tests.

3. The guy setting up all the tests is our guy in Taiwan, he is 6foot, rides BMX (really well) and a super super nice guy. Yes he is "asian" lots of people there are, do you have a problem with that? He does NOT work for the factory and he does not manufacture the parts.

4. ALL the forks are clearly marked as made in Taiwan. The factory who makes them doesn't work for any other BMX brands, but they do make super high end Steel, Titanium and Aluminium road and mountainbikes. The capabilities to make the forks in the USA dont really exist, we would have to cut a LOT of beneficial features. Getting hold of seamless tube is hard enough, let alone having it custom drawn.

5. Yes, the Stampy tests would ideally be performed by an independent 3rd party, you are welcome to set yourself up as one. (virtually) No bike parts are independently tested like this, even helmets are "self certified". Any of our competitors are welcome to duplicate our tests, but all they have actually done is run the (standard) CEN tests which are pathetic.
 

G.

[LayLow]

It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?

Capitals just to be clear, not shouting

1. NO OTHER BRAND OF BMX FORK is made in that factory.

2. I personally devised and designed all the test rigs and test protocols used in the Stampy tests.

3. The guy setting up all the tests is our guy in Taiwan, he is 6foot, rides BMX (really well) and a super super nice guy. Yes he is "asian" lots of people there are, do you have a problem with that? He does NOT work for the factory and he does not manufacture the parts.

4. ALL the forks are clearly marked as made in Taiwan. The factory who makes them doesn't work for any other BMX brands, but they do make super high end Steel, Titanium and Aluminium road and mountainbikes. The capabilities to make the forks in the USA dont really exist, we would have to cut a LOT of beneficial features. Getting hold of seamless tube is hard enough, let alone having it custom drawn.

5. Yes, the Stampy tests would ideally be performed by an independent 3rd party, you are welcome to set yourself up as one. (virtually) No bike parts are independently tested like this, even helmets are "self certified". Any of our competitors are welcome to duplicate our tests, but all they have actually done is run the (standard) CEN tests which are pathetic.
 

G.

Much respect, G. Much respect!

[LayLow]

also they have a great warrenty, and always have. thats the real clincher

their forks break, ive broken some, ive seen plenty of other people break them too, but theyre still deffos one of the stronger forks out there and yeah if you break em you should be able to get the replaced for free

The lifetime warranty in BMX is one of the worst marketing ploys in history. Do you honestly think a piece of steel should last a lifetime? More than a year?

Not only does it make people assume a fork should last forever, it kills shops.

Think about it like this... to complete with Odysseys marketing, every brand now has to slap on a lifetime warranty whether the company is doing it because they believe they will last that long or not . Now instead of shops getting a resale on forks a few years down the line, they will be handling warranty claims for little Timmy.

If you've ever worked at or supported a core or small shop, you know that every bit of income matters. BMX retail is based of consumable products, shit breaks or wears out.... buy a new one.

Imagine if you said "lifetime warranty on PC pedals." While you know that product surely wont last that long, imagine how many you can sell using that claim.

[carnage]

Think about it like this... to complete with Odysseys marketing, every brand now has to slap on a lifetime warranty whether the company is doing it because they believe they will last that long or not . Now instead of shops getting a resale on forks a few years down the line, they will be handling warranty claims for little Timmy.

If you've ever worked at or supported a core or small shop, you know that every bit of income matters. BMX retail is based of consumable products, shit breaks or wears out.... buy a new one.

yeah odyssey's business model of investing all that cash designing, manufacturing, testing and shipping their forks just for crash replacements and not to sell them so they can deny lbs business is pure win.